And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years." (Gen. 1:14)
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587/607 Question...
by deaconbluez inif the exile wasn't to be 70 years, how is jeremiah 29:10 explained by pro-587 folks?.
10 "for this is what jehovah has said, in accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at babylon i shall turn my attention to you people, and i will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.. .
also, if it truly was a 70-year period of servitude, and not exile, when was this 70 years served by other nations?.
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The MIstake Witnesses Will Make On March 10, 2008
by t33ap80c inthe mistake jehovahs witnesses .
are going to make .
on sunday, march 10, 2008. .
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"When Christ inspected the faithful and discreet slave’ in 1918, he found those anointed ones on earth to be faithful in providing spiritual ‘food at the proper time.’ Hence, Jesus was pleased thereafter to appoint them ‘over all his belongings.’ (Read Matthew 24:45-47)" – January 15, 2008 Watchtower, p, 24, par. 1
My question for Jehovah's Witnesses is how do they know that Jesus did this? How did the men who run the Watchtower Society first find out that Christ had made this appointment? Did Christ tell them he did so while appearing to them in a dream or vision? Did he send an angel to deliver this news to them? If he did not, how did they find out that Christ had appointed them to be his "Faithful and Discreet Slave" and thereafter act as his sole channel for distributing Bible truth on the earth?
Many Jehovah's Witnesses are likely to answer this question by saying, "His appointment seems obvious. After all, look at how much better Jehovah's Witnesses understand the Bible than other so-called Christian sects. Look at our preaching. Who else preaches like we do? Look at the love we have among ourselves." However, even if all these things are true, do they really prove that Jesus Christ ever made such an appointment? After all, every Christian sect believes their group has the most truth and believes their group is the one most approved by Jesus Christ.
If Jesus himself never actually told the men who run the Watchtower Society that he was then declaring them to be faithful, and that he was then appointing them over all his belongings, was it right for them to tell the world that Christ himself had done those things? Since Jesus Christ himself made no such announcement, the men who ran the Society in back then had no way of being certain that Christ had ever really made such an appointment. And, neither do the men who run the Society today.
The parable of the faithful and discreet slave informs us that when Christ returns he himself will judge which of his servants have faithfully taken good care of all he entrusted to them. With this in mind, is it the place of Christ's slaves to proclaim themselves to be faithful? No, it is not. Christ said he will judge his slaves. For a slave to judge himself as faithful and then tell all the world that Christ himself made that judgment is a very presumptuous thing to do. And God assures us in His Word that, "I shall actually cause the pride of the presumptuous ones to cease." (Isaiah 13:11) -
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Gentile Times reconsidered
by confused and lost ini am half way through this book by carl o. jonsson and the more i read the more certain i become that the 607bce date for the destruction of jerusalem by babylon is nothing more than a fabrication designed to uphold 1914 and hence the "authority" of the watchtower leadership.it makes me sick to think of how they have duped millions of people with their phoney chronology.it makes sitting through studies that mention these dates irritating to say the least.especially when all the heads nod in unison at the mention of the "magic 607"
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James,
JCanon claims Christ returned "in the flesh" in 1992. In his flesh. "JC" says Jesus Christ took possession of his body while he was spending the night in a dumpster. "JC" here tells us that he is actually Jesus Christ returned. He is serious. He really believes it and tries his best to get others to believe it by constantly writing long rambling explanations of Bible prophecies (including the basic JW "7 Times" interpretation) - but built upon his own unique understanding of ancient history and unique set of dates for various Old Testament events. ("Jerusalem was destroyed in 529 BC", etc.) He preys on newer ones here because those who have posted here for a while have already painfully learned this and try their best to ignore him.
I hope you really are "James Free" and not just another creation of JCanon. Because sometimes when everyone here has ignored him, "JC" has actually invented another persona to converse with.
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587/607 Question...
by deaconbluez inif the exile wasn't to be 70 years, how is jeremiah 29:10 explained by pro-587 folks?.
10 "for this is what jehovah has said, in accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at babylon i shall turn my attention to you people, and i will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.. .
also, if it truly was a 70-year period of servitude, and not exile, when was this 70 years served by other nations?.
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Scholar,
You wrote: This however is not the case with Carl Jonsson's expulsion as he made public the body of correspondence between himself and the Society over his treatise and one can see by reading the letters that Jonsson is not a man of integrity but was dishonest even from his very first letter.
I read all of that correspondence and I saw in it no dishonesty on Jonsson's part. Unless you consider his referring to himself in the third person in his first letter to be dishonest. Obviously Jonsson did so because he wanted the Society to deal with the issues and questions he sent to them rather than have them focus on the person who raised the questions, which is of course what they ended up doing. The Society is the one that was dishonest. They continually promised to respond to all of the issues he raised and all of the questions he asked. And they never did. That's why I asked you to "explain their failure to communicate to Carl Olof Jonsson all of his supposed mistakes before publicly disfellowshipping him?"
You wrote: Jonsson from that time had already spread his false ideas to others which eventually led to his expulsion.
Of course he discussed his research with others. Who doesn't do so when doing such serious research? You should be ashamed to belong to an organization that forbids its members from freely discussing the scriptures with each other.
You wrote: Jonsson on the face of the evidence was dealt with fairly in my opinion.
I wonder what your opinion will be when your masters in Brooklyn someday disfellowship you for doing what you are doing now, discussing the scriptures with those who they call "apostates".
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587/607 Question...
by deaconbluez inif the exile wasn't to be 70 years, how is jeremiah 29:10 explained by pro-587 folks?.
10 "for this is what jehovah has said, in accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at babylon i shall turn my attention to you people, and i will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.. .
also, if it truly was a 70-year period of servitude, and not exile, when was this 70 years served by other nations?.
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Scholar,
You wrote: In the interests of fairness and honesty and Christian ethics if we have some issue then we should take the matter up with the other person so I appeal to your sense of ethics to do what is right. I believe it is most unfair to air publicly the mistakes of others or perceived mistakes without first communicating with that person.
How then do you explain the Watchtower Society's total failure to "communicate" with Ray Franz before "publicly" disfelowshipping him? And how do explain their failure to "communicate" to Carl Olof Jonsson all of his supposed mistakes before "publicly" disfellowshipping him?
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A Mormon President?
by a Christian inmitt romney is running for president of the united states.
i see one big problem with electing a mormon as president.
doing so will give much more respectability to the mormon church.
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A Mormon President?
by a Christian inmitt romney is running for president of the united states.
i see one big problem with electing a mormon as president.
doing so will give much more respectability to the mormon church.
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Gopher Wrote: I find the original post to be needless fear-mongering at best, and prejudicial at worst. Has Massachusetts turned into a Mormon state with Romney as governor? Has there been a spike in recruiting there?
Mormon state? No. Spike in recruiting? Probably not a large one. But one more life lost to the cults is one more too many. Anything that may give credibility to the cults and help even one more person listen to them is something I hope does not happen. As a former JW who has found Christian freedom I hate the thought of anyone falling under the control of false teachers such as the Mormons, the JWs, the Moonies, etc.
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A Mormon President?
by a Christian inmitt romney is running for president of the united states.
i see one big problem with electing a mormon as president.
doing so will give much more respectability to the mormon church.
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Mitt Romney is running for President of the United States. I see one big problem with electing a Mormon as President. Doing so will give much more respectability to the Mormon Church. Then, with Romney in the White House, the job of Mormon missionaries in recruiting converts will become easier. Many who then answer their doors to find two young men carrying the "Book of Mormon" on their door step will no doubt say to themselves, "Since the President of our country is a Mormon, the Mormon Church must be OK. So I'll listen to what these guys have to say." The problem with that is that the Mormon Church is a cult, a serious corruption of Christianity, which promotes many teachings which clearly conflict with the teachings of the Bible. Go into any Christian book store. Head to their "Cult" section. There, right next to the books about Jehovah's Witnesses and the Moonies, you will find several books telling you all the reasons Mormons cannot be considered to be Christians. If this is true, and I believe that it is, then Mormon missionaries - by promoting their corruption of Christianity are doing people great spiritual harm. And electing a "President Romney" will almost certainly help them succeed in their spiritually destructive work. I hope Republican primary voters will seriously consider this matter before voting for Mitt Romney. The polls tell us that Mike Huckabee, a good Christian man, is now giving Romney a run for his money in Iowa, the first caucus/primary state. May God be with him.
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Gentile Times reconsidered
by confused and lost ini am half way through this book by carl o. jonsson and the more i read the more certain i become that the 607bce date for the destruction of jerusalem by babylon is nothing more than a fabrication designed to uphold 1914 and hence the "authority" of the watchtower leadership.it makes me sick to think of how they have duped millions of people with their phoney chronology.it makes sitting through studies that mention these dates irritating to say the least.especially when all the heads nod in unison at the mention of the "magic 607"
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JCanon Wrote: Now COJ refuses to enter into any debate with me. He claims it is because I'm unreasonable. COJ "claims" this because he knows JCanon is only interested in debating ancient history and Bible prophecy for the purpose of promoting his own wacky understandings of both. JCanon tells us that his own understandings of history and scripture prove that he is Jesus Christ returned in the flesh, his flesh, a transformation which he tells us took place several years ago while he was spending the night in a dumpster. "Now COJ refuses to enter into any debate" with him. This might be because COJ has no formal training as a psychiatrist.
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Besides C of C, which book is best?
by sacrebleu ini know crisis of conscience is a classic and has helped more people than will ever be known.
but after that one or besides that one, which book has helped you reach the decision to leave or helped you feel better about leaving... made you feel validated, justified, stupid for having believed or just glad to be out?
which book has more facts?
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The Gentile Times Reconsidered and Sign of the Last Days - When? , both by Carl Olof Jonsson.
The first one absolutely demolishes the whole 1914 doctrine.
The second does the same to the teaching that our generation has experienced more war, earthquakes, crime, disease, famine, ect. than past generations.
Must reading for all JWs and ex-JWs.